Power Steering leak - but where??
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Power Steering leak - but where??
Took the Jag for a spin yesterday, just to keep the batteries topped up. They do run down and I don't know from what. Before putting it back in the garage, I noticed two spots of red fluid on the floor.
Has to be Power Steering fluid, as I have Lifeguard i the tranny. I have already fixed the return line under the air filter and it's dry.
It is hard to tell exactly where the spots were in relation to the car, but the larger spot was driver side and the passenger side spot was a bit to the rear of the larger one. This morning I got the car up on the QuickJack and crawled under. EVERYTHING IS BONE DRY!! Now hanging drops anywhere!
Started the engine and ran the steering to the end to end put some load on (wheel are in the air). No drips anywhere.
A few weeks back I also had a few drops on the garage floor but did not think much of it and have had none since.
I am at a loss. Everything looks dry and perfect on both sides. Are the any places/areas that are prone to leaks? Where do I start??
Has to be Power Steering fluid, as I have Lifeguard i the tranny. I have already fixed the return line under the air filter and it's dry.
It is hard to tell exactly where the spots were in relation to the car, but the larger spot was driver side and the passenger side spot was a bit to the rear of the larger one. This morning I got the car up on the QuickJack and crawled under. EVERYTHING IS BONE DRY!! Now hanging drops anywhere!
Started the engine and ran the steering to the end to end put some load on (wheel are in the air). No drips anywhere.
A few weeks back I also had a few drops on the garage floor but did not think much of it and have had none since.
I am at a loss. Everything looks dry and perfect on both sides. Are the any places/areas that are prone to leaks? Where do I start??
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APS High pressure hose crimps are suspect
The power steering high pressure hose from the rack to the pump is my guess. Lots of posts here on the forum suggest it’s a common problem in the rubber and metal crimps. I had it too.
Jag fixed the problem with a different hose configuration and with different rubber metal connections and a different route through the engine bay.
Jag fixed the problem with a different hose configuration and with different rubber metal connections and a different route through the engine bay.
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Aarcuda (04-27-2020)
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The power steering high pressure hose from the rack to the pump is my guess. Lots of posts here on the forum suggest it’s a common problem in the rubber and metal crimps. I had it too.
Jag fixed the problem with a different hose configuration and with different rubber metal connections and a different route through the engine bay.
Jag fixed the problem with a different hose configuration and with different rubber metal connections and a different route through the engine bay.
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The power steering high pressure hose from the rack to the pump is my guess. Lots of posts here on the forum suggest it’s a common problem in the rubber and metal crimps. I had it too.
Jag fixed the problem with a different hose configuration and with different rubber metal connections and a different route through the engine bay.
Jag fixed the problem with a different hose configuration and with different rubber metal connections and a different route through the engine bay.
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APS information
Nalle,
Lots of info on this forum, as this seems to be a common problem on the earlier X100s. Pic below of the system.
Mine had failed at the metal/rubber crimp on the High Pressure side and also I noted the original hose rubber touched something hot in the engine bay and had a small melted hole which seeped APS fluid.
Pic of Original APS hose touching something hot. I did note that the hose does flex a little when under load.
The original PS hose is No Longer Available (NLA) so you can only get the new version (which I consider a good thing) . I attach a Word .doc made from one of the Forum members with instructions on the repair. I used his pics to route the new PS hose through a new route in the engine bay.
Parts I ordered for the APS refurb, from Terry's Jag. These hoses are not cheap, so some Forum members made do with a DIY hose fix. Please note that I found that the new OEM low pressure hose line doesn't fit the Gen 1 XK8 (which I had) at all. If anyone wants it, PM me and I'll happily ship it on to someone in need.
Lots of info on this forum, as this seems to be a common problem on the earlier X100s. Pic below of the system.
Mine had failed at the metal/rubber crimp on the High Pressure side and also I noted the original hose rubber touched something hot in the engine bay and had a small melted hole which seeped APS fluid.
Pic of Original APS hose touching something hot. I did note that the hose does flex a little when under load.
The original PS hose is No Longer Available (NLA) so you can only get the new version (which I consider a good thing) . I attach a Word .doc made from one of the Forum members with instructions on the repair. I used his pics to route the new PS hose through a new route in the engine bay.
Parts I ordered for the APS refurb, from Terry's Jag. These hoses are not cheap, so some Forum members made do with a DIY hose fix. Please note that I found that the new OEM low pressure hose line doesn't fit the Gen 1 XK8 (which I had) at all. If anyone wants it, PM me and I'll happily ship it on to someone in need.
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Johnken (04-28-2020)
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Nalle,
Lots of info on this forum, as this seems to be a common problem on the earlier X100s. Pic below of the system.
Mine had failed at the metal/rubber crimp on the High Pressure side and also I noted the original hose rubber touched something hot in the engine bay and had a small melted hole which seeped APS fluid.
Pic of Original APS hose touching something hot. I did note that the hose does flex a little when under load.
The original PS hose is No Longer Available (NLA) so you can only get the new version (which I consider a good thing) . I attach a Word .doc made from one of the Forum members with instructions on the repair. I used his pics to route the new PS hose through a new route in the engine bay.
Parts I ordered for the APS refurb, from Terry's Jag. These hoses are not cheap, so some Forum members made do with a DIY hose fix. Please note that I found that the new OEM low pressure hose line doesn't fit the Gen 1 XK8 (which I had) at all. If anyone wants it, PM me and I'll happily ship it on to someone in need.
Lots of info on this forum, as this seems to be a common problem on the earlier X100s. Pic below of the system.
Mine had failed at the metal/rubber crimp on the High Pressure side and also I noted the original hose rubber touched something hot in the engine bay and had a small melted hole which seeped APS fluid.
Pic of Original APS hose touching something hot. I did note that the hose does flex a little when under load.
The original PS hose is No Longer Available (NLA) so you can only get the new version (which I consider a good thing) . I attach a Word .doc made from one of the Forum members with instructions on the repair. I used his pics to route the new PS hose through a new route in the engine bay.
Parts I ordered for the APS refurb, from Terry's Jag. These hoses are not cheap, so some Forum members made do with a DIY hose fix. Please note that I found that the new OEM low pressure hose line doesn't fit the Gen 1 XK8 (which I had) at all. If anyone wants it, PM me and I'll happily ship it on to someone in need.
Thanks for lots of good info and a great link. Checked Terry's on line this morning and they still show hoses available. I am uncertain that I can reach the nut up on the pump - even with a crow foot. Might get the old one off, but starting the new one looks close to impossible. It's tight in there.
I do have a hard time tearing it apart without knowing where the leak is. Will probably make another 10 mile run and park it on old newspapers to see it I can locate. Will keep you posted
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DavidYau (04-28-2020)
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Still can't find the leak
So, after my second run, I had oil on the floor that following morning. About a 1" dia. spot, just left of center, below the serpentine belt. Once the car was up in the air, I could see oil in spots both on the belt and on some of the pulleys.
I obviously suspected the pump. Between mirrors and flashlights, I could not find/see and leak at the pump! Everything on the pump, front bearing seal, hoses, pulley all looked dry.
What am I missing?? Any other place up front where I could have a leak??
I obviously suspected the pump. Between mirrors and flashlights, I could not find/see and leak at the pump! Everything on the pump, front bearing seal, hoses, pulley all looked dry.
What am I missing?? Any other place up front where I could have a leak??
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#9
Check around the reservoir and the rack bellows
I would check the reservoir and hoses to it. I note not to overfill the reservoir. It’s not a closed system as there’s an opening in the bottle cap for venting. Two marks on the dip stick for upper and lower level of fluid. Too much fluid and it’ll drip out.
For the rack, there’s the two screw fittings for the high and lower pressure hoses. Cheap fix replacing their O rings to seal. Otherwise check the rack bellows to see if it’s leaking internally. There are internal seal rebuild kits. Tough to DIY so I had a professional garage do the R&R strip and rebuild on my 1999 steering rack.
For the rack, there’s the two screw fittings for the high and lower pressure hoses. Cheap fix replacing their O rings to seal. Otherwise check the rack bellows to see if it’s leaking internally. There are internal seal rebuild kits. Tough to DIY so I had a professional garage do the R&R strip and rebuild on my 1999 steering rack.
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Pressure hose compatibility
David, maybe you can help me. I have a 2000 XK8 with a leak in the pump to rack hose. My current hose matches the diagram you posted exactly, but that hose is not labeled in the diagram. The part number in the invoice, MJB3985AB, is the same number I get when I search online for the part I need, so I ordered one. The problem I have is that the end piece that connects to the steering rack is twisted about 270 degrees in the new hose, not the 180 in the diagram. I can't find any with just a 180 bend. I am guessing that Jag changed the routing of the hose. Any suggestions would be appreciated...
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HarryK,
Here's a link to the thread where hernandez_f details the task with excellent photos of the new route through the engine bay for the new different High Pressure pipe.https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...g-hose-108685/
My Word.doc had a bit of more info, ie schematic diagrams etc, but the link above should be enough for you to complete the job. Anything else you need, let me know.
Here's a link to the thread where hernandez_f details the task with excellent photos of the new route through the engine bay for the new different High Pressure pipe.https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...g-hose-108685/
My Word.doc had a bit of more info, ie schematic diagrams etc, but the link above should be enough for you to complete the job. Anything else you need, let me know.
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PDF of MY 99 APS High Pressure Hose fix
Jay,
As the Word .docx seems to be lost, I attach a PDF of the work I did on the PS fix on my MY 99 using the new high pressure hose. There are excellent photos of the new route on this thread.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...g-hose-108685/
As the Word .docx seems to be lost, I attach a PDF of the work I did on the PS fix on my MY 99 using the new high pressure hose. There are excellent photos of the new route on this thread.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...g-hose-108685/
Last edited by DavidYau; 08-10-2020 at 12:23 AM. Reason: Link to other thread added.
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