Rear Speakers test? XK8 rag top
#21
Attached is what it sounds like in my 2001 premium system. First centered, then faded all the way to the rear, then centered, then faded. The audio is not fully represented in the iphone fully to the rear (the mic appears to have quite a bit of rolloff down below ~50 Hz), but gives a good idea since that lower frequency content you cannot record on the iphone does not make the rear 'clearer', just ''muddier' and fuller'.
Bottom line, I don't think you should expect midrangeish output from the rear speakers as designed regardless of whether you can hear midrange if hooked to another input. As always, you can change this by changing the speakers (or the system) if that is better for y'all.
Bottom line, I don't think you should expect midrangeish output from the rear speakers as designed regardless of whether you can hear midrange if hooked to another input. As always, you can change this by changing the speakers (or the system) if that is better for y'all.
mark
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... As you fade your losing from the front, then nothing is coming out the back. Mine is similar but more muddy distorted sounding. Is yours a convertible? How do I tell if I have a premium? All I know is its 2001 Alpine, 2 rear non subwoofer speakers and no rear tweeters.
In home systems with a sub box, it does not fade to nothing as in these vehicles. Something just seems all wrong with this...
In home systems with a sub box, it does not fade to nothing as in these vehicles. Something just seems all wrong with this...
And yes, mine are all 'verts. Isn't that the only good kind (with due apologies my coupe bretheren/sisteren...)?
#25
Sounds of silence
At my age, I cherish my 50 Hz sound since I no longer have anything above about ~14 kHz (though I can still torture my children and my students with loud 18 kHz sounds).
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michaelh (09-10-2021)
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#27
Not exactly, the volume on the video is affected by the iphone freq response. You can still hear it on the video, but it's louder and lower in real life, not nothing. It's just not mid/high range. The rear response is all low frequency (i.e. 'muddy' sound) by intent.
And yes, mine are all 'verts. Isn't that the only good kind (with due apologies my coupe bretheren/sisteren...)?
And yes, mine are all 'verts. Isn't that the only good kind (with due apologies my coupe bretheren/sisteren...)?
#28
Power amp connector has 6 pins (see IC14-1 through 6)
Power amp connector: (what's needed for any car amp?)
1. Left signal
2. Right signal
3. Signal ground
4. Battery
5. Antenna (turns amp on when radio is on.
6. ???
Does not look like front rear signals are delivered to amp separately.
Problem is: if thats true, how does fader setting get communicated to amp?
I'm going to keep looking for IC 17 pin out diagram.
John
1. Left signal
2. Right signal
3. Signal ground
4. Battery
5. Antenna (turns amp on when radio is on.
6. ???
Does not look like front rear signals are delivered to amp separately.
Problem is: if thats true, how does fader setting get communicated to amp?
I'm going to keep looking for IC 17 pin out diagram.
John
Last edited by Johnken; 09-09-2021 at 12:49 PM.
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Markmbaha1 (09-09-2021)
#29
I have no pictures of mine, and going into the rear always leaves me repairing brittle plastic, so mine looks like below. Have no pics of reverse, and do not know if they are 2 ohm. Seemed to remember they are either 2 or 4.
Random picture snagged from the internet of LJD4150BA (other side is 4151).
Random picture snagged from the internet of LJD4150BA (other side is 4151).
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#31
From what I've read there is an AI Net link between head unit and amp.
See this for an interesting pinout: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...=Amp+connector
I suggest you do an advanced search on "Amp connector" lots of good info!
John
See this for an interesting pinout: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...=Amp+connector
I suggest you do an advanced search on "Amp connector" lots of good info!
John
#32
I have no pictures of mine, and going into the rear always leaves me repairing brittle plastic, so mine looks like below. Have no pics of reverse, and do not know if they are 2 ohm. Seemed to remember they are either 2 or 4.
Random picture snagged from the internet of LJD4150BA (other side is 4151).
Random picture snagged from the internet of LJD4150BA (other side is 4151).
#33
Power amp connector: (what's needed for any car amp?)
1. Left signal
2. Right signal
3. Signal ground
4. Battery
5. Antenna (turns amp on when radio is on.
6. ???
Does not look like front rear signals are delivered to amp separately.
Problem is: if thats true, how does fader setting get communicated to amp?
I'm going to keep looking for IC 17 pin out diagram.
John
1. Left signal
2. Right signal
3. Signal ground
4. Battery
5. Antenna (turns amp on when radio is on.
6. ???
Does not look like front rear signals are delivered to amp separately.
Problem is: if thats true, how does fader setting get communicated to amp?
I'm going to keep looking for IC 17 pin out diagram.
John
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crbass (09-09-2021)
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LOL each post started off different, sometines people went way off topic, I think assumptions across model years were made which i found there are significant differences across 90s models and early 2000's models, and morphing happened. There are also some generic hints I cant tell knowing what I know now what they apply to, as specifics were not mentioned such as model year. I am only coming to some concrete facts finally after piecing together infirmation across the many comments from different people across all 3. I still dont have all the full final scoop, but have enough now to go pay someone to officially diagnose where my problem exist.
#39
Fader in Head Unit
Mark (and all),
Yesterday I spent a bunch of time trying to find a way to prove the trouble to the amp or head unit. I started down a path of: where is fader control circuitry located: head unit or amp? Thinking was that if it resides only in the amp, that would narrow it down to an amplifier issue.
Now, I hurt my knee - doctors must have given me good drugs ;-). I don't know why I didn't see the easy/ obvious. The same bloody head unit is used for premium and standard audio. No amp used with standard audio, but of course fader works with standard!
Please excuse any of my speculation that inoperative / distorted rear channel sound may by caused by amplifier issues. Fader is obviously controlled / operated by headunit. I don't know how I missed something so obvious.
Mark if you're still trying to shoot the problem, think about this:
Standard audio head unit plugs right into speaker leads to speakers. Remember it becomes premium by flipping a switch on back of head unit and pre-out audio signal is then sent to amp through the premium audio cable harness.
This begs the question: is the standard audio harness just sitting there unused? If so, why couldn't you disable the amp (pull fuse), flip the head unit switch to standard,, connect the rear speaker to standard rear audio speaker wire and give it a listen. Still distorted? . . . Yes = defective head unit.
John
Yesterday I spent a bunch of time trying to find a way to prove the trouble to the amp or head unit. I started down a path of: where is fader control circuitry located: head unit or amp? Thinking was that if it resides only in the amp, that would narrow it down to an amplifier issue.
Now, I hurt my knee - doctors must have given me good drugs ;-). I don't know why I didn't see the easy/ obvious. The same bloody head unit is used for premium and standard audio. No amp used with standard audio, but of course fader works with standard!
Please excuse any of my speculation that inoperative / distorted rear channel sound may by caused by amplifier issues. Fader is obviously controlled / operated by headunit. I don't know how I missed something so obvious.
Mark if you're still trying to shoot the problem, think about this:
Standard audio head unit plugs right into speaker leads to speakers. Remember it becomes premium by flipping a switch on back of head unit and pre-out audio signal is then sent to amp through the premium audio cable harness.
This begs the question: is the standard audio harness just sitting there unused? If so, why couldn't you disable the amp (pull fuse), flip the head unit switch to standard,, connect the rear speaker to standard rear audio speaker wire and give it a listen. Still distorted? . . . Yes = defective head unit.
John
Last edited by Johnken; 09-10-2021 at 09:09 PM.
#40
Mark (and all),
Yesterday I spent a bunch of time trying to find a way to prove the trouble to the amp or head unit. I started down a path of: where is fader control circuitry located: head unit or amp? Thinking was that if it resides only in the amp, that would narrow it down to an amplifier issue.
Now, I hurt my knee - doctors must have given me good drugs ;-). I don't know why I didn't see the easy/ obvious. The same bloody head unit is used for premium and standard audio. No amp used with standard audio, but of course fader works with standard!
Please excuse any of my speculation that inoperative / distorted rear channel sound may by caused by amplifier issues. Fader is obviously controlled / operated by headunit. I don't know how I missed something so obvious.
Mark if you're still trying to shoot the problem, think about this:
Standard audio head unit plugs right into speaker leads to speakers. Remember it becomes premium by flipping a switch on back of head unit and pre-out audio signal is then sent to amp through the premium audio cable harness.
This begs the question: is the standard audio harness just sitting there unused? If so, why couldn't you disable the amp (pull fuse), flip the head unit switch to standard,, connect the rear speaker to standard rear audio speaker wire and give it a listen. Still distorted? . . . Yes = defective head unit.
John
Yesterday I spent a bunch of time trying to find a way to prove the trouble to the amp or head unit. I started down a path of: where is fader control circuitry located: head unit or amp? Thinking was that if it resides only in the amp, that would narrow it down to an amplifier issue.
Now, I hurt my knee - doctors must have given me good drugs ;-). I don't know why I didn't see the easy/ obvious. The same bloody head unit is used for premium and standard audio. No amp used with standard audio, but of course fader works with standard!
Please excuse any of my speculation that inoperative / distorted rear channel sound may by caused by amplifier issues. Fader is obviously controlled / operated by headunit. I don't know how I missed something so obvious.
Mark if you're still trying to shoot the problem, think about this:
Standard audio head unit plugs right into speaker leads to speakers. Remember it becomes premium by flipping a switch on back of head unit and pre-out audio signal is then sent to amp through the premium audio cable harness.
This begs the question: is the standard audio harness just sitting there unused? If so, why couldn't you disable the amp (pull fuse), flip the head unit switch to standard,, connect the rear speaker to standard rear audio speaker wire and give it a listen. Still distorted? . . . Yes = defective head unit.
John
Mark