Removing the ABS module hell.
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OK, I haven't had to pull the motor or trans, but nearly all the work I've done has not been difficult, it's just the amount of 'stuff' you have to remove to get to what you need to do. So, laborious rather than onerous.
Exceptions were the connections at the back of the compressor and the brake shoes, although the latter was probably my approach.
Armed with the the collective knowledge of this forum and abundance of documentation, most things are doable
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Was your board covered in this plastic coating? I'd have to cut it away....or melt it away(?) to get at the solder and posts. I'm getting a little nervous about this. Do you think my module is an updated replacement for the original? But how could those solder joints get loose with that heavy coating on there? From the BACKSIDE maybe? Has anyone removed the board from the module base to see the other side of the connections? FYI: I just looked at the joints with a jeweler's loop. I think I see some dark spots and cracking at the tip of one of the posts. At this point I hope that's the culprit.
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l noticed the OP's ABS is early 6 valve ABS only, while the later units are 9 valve abs/traction control. The boards seem to have different component layout but same basic design. The coating most likely only an early board feature.
Edit. sorry oldjaglover, l did not see your post re coating. The above might answer your question.
l also think your best bet is scraping the coating from the two posts with a pick.
Edit. sorry oldjaglover, l did not see your post re coating. The above might answer your question.
l also think your best bet is scraping the coating from the two posts with a pick.
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I haven't seen it anywhere else, but it's a great idea if it doesn't hide problems. I removed the plastic with one of my hobby tool cutting tubes. LO and BEHOLD! Along the bottom edge of the soldered joints I can see the cracks. It took a lot of light and magnification, but they are definitely cracked......even with the plastic coating on. So, I'm heading to my brother's for his professional soldering skills.
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l noticed the OP's ABS is early 6 valve ABS only, while the later units are 9 valve abs/traction control. The boards seem to have different component layout but same basic design. The coating most likely only an early board feature.
Edit. sorry oldjaglover, l did not see your post re coating. The above might answer your question.
l also think your best bet is scraping the coating from the two posts with a pick.
Edit. sorry oldjaglover, l did not see your post re coating. The above might answer your question.
l also think your best bet is scraping the coating from the two posts with a pick.
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After I cut away the plastic coating my brother re-soldered the two pump connection joints. He also noticed (under high magnification) that the left side of the BLADE CONNECTORS also looked bad. So, he re-soldered those joints. They are the double posts that come from the two big blade connectors in the larger multi-pin connector. I'll show pics of both. So, the next step is to seal this all up and get it back into its "cradle". I pray this solves the problem.
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All things considered, this repair is not hellish. Just a little frustrating. There are many issues with these
cars that are much more time and dollar consuming. I’ll take this job hands down over any repair that involves opening my wallet. The R&R and soldering can be done in less
than one day for zero $$$
Z
cars that are much more time and dollar consuming. I’ll take this job hands down over any repair that involves opening my wallet. The R&R and soldering can be done in less
than one day for zero $$$
Z
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As I recall, you never disconnected the battery to avoid having to go through clearing the various monitors. Have you tried using an OBD tool to read and re-set the individual codes? Some of the less expensive ones don't read all of the chassis-related modules, P1637 can mean a bad connection between the Engine Control Moldule (ECM) and the ABS Control Module (ABSCM). This can be caused by a faulty ground to the ABS module, so I would check the plug connections on the ABS control unit.
Best wishes for your full recovery from your Covid ordeal.
Best wishes for your full recovery from your Covid ordeal.
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What a PITA. The P1637 decode is:
The CAN bus terminates at one end in the ABS module, so there may be a bad connection to the harness.
The easiest way to check if there is a fault on the CAN termination is to measure the resistance across pins 6 and 14 of the OBD connector under the dash (ignition off). You should see around 60 ohms if everything is in order. If there's a problem with the ABS connector you will see around 120 ohms. Here's a generic pic. of the OBD connector pinout:
If you find the higher resistance value, then check the harness connector, but this isn't going to be too easy to see given its location. Perhaps one of the pins has got bent, or it's possible that a connector has got pushed back into the harness plug body?
I've circled the pins (5 & 15) on your pic of the module that relate to the CAN:
The CAN bus terminates at one end in the ABS module, so there may be a bad connection to the harness.
The easiest way to check if there is a fault on the CAN termination is to measure the resistance across pins 6 and 14 of the OBD connector under the dash (ignition off). You should see around 60 ohms if everything is in order. If there's a problem with the ABS connector you will see around 120 ohms. Here's a generic pic. of the OBD connector pinout:
If you find the higher resistance value, then check the harness connector, but this isn't going to be too easy to see given its location. Perhaps one of the pins has got bent, or it's possible that a connector has got pushed back into the harness plug body?
I've circled the pins (5 & 15) on your pic of the module that relate to the CAN:
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Well, this nightmare continues. After spending a week in the hospital from the Covid attack (even after both vaccinations), I finally got back to getting the Jag on the road again. Everything that could go in "hard" did it the most difficult way possible. Everything is plugged back in, tightened down, clamped up, and all in order. The engine started fine.....but with the ABS light on, the DSC lights flashing, the E. brake light not going out, and THEN.....a damn P1637 CODE! Searching tje forum I have not found the exact reason for this code, but it seems related to the ABS. I drove the car a few blocks and the lights refused to go out. I need to get it smogged NOW so I can pay for the registration, but with a CHECK ENGINE LIGHT ON the shop will not even attempt it. Everything was done perfectly and rechecked over and over. WHAT DO I DO NOW????
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As I recall, you never disconnected the battery to avoid having to go through clearing the various monitors. Have you tried using an OBD tool to read and re-set the individual codes? Some of the less expensive ones don't read all of the chassis-related modules, P1637 can mean a bad connection between the Engine Control Moldule (ECM) and the ABS Control Module (ABSCM). This can be caused by a faulty ground to the ABS module, so I would check the plug connections on the ABS control unit.
Best wishes for your full recovery from your Covid ordeal.
Best wishes for your full recovery from your Covid ordeal.
OH....and what about the SPEEDOMETER not working (as my son reported after he drove it).
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What a PITA. The P1637 decode is:
The CAN bus terminates at one end in the ABS module, so there may be a bad connection to the harness.
The easiest way to check if there is a fault on the CAN termination is to measure the resistance across pins 6 and 14 of the OBD connector under the dash (ignition off). You should see around 60 ohms if everything is in order. If there's a problem with the ABS connector you will see around 120 ohms. Here's a generic pic. of the OBD connector pinout:
If you find the higher resistance value, then check the harness connector, but this isn't going to be too easy to see given its location. Perhaps one of the pins has got bent, or it's possible that a connector has got pushed back into the harness plug body?
I've circled the pins (5 & 15) on your pic of the module that relate to the CAN:
The CAN bus terminates at one end in the ABS module, so there may be a bad connection to the harness.
The easiest way to check if there is a fault on the CAN termination is to measure the resistance across pins 6 and 14 of the OBD connector under the dash (ignition off). You should see around 60 ohms if everything is in order. If there's a problem with the ABS connector you will see around 120 ohms. Here's a generic pic. of the OBD connector pinout:
If you find the higher resistance value, then check the harness connector, but this isn't going to be too easy to see given its location. Perhaps one of the pins has got bent, or it's possible that a connector has got pushed back into the harness plug body?
I've circled the pins (5 & 15) on your pic of the module that relate to the CAN:
#36
What a PITA. The P1637 decode is:
The CAN bus terminates at one end in the ABS module, so there may be a bad connection to the harness.
The easiest way to check if there is a fault on the CAN termination is to measure the resistance across pins 6 and 14 of the OBD connector under the dash (ignition off). You should see around 60 ohms if everything is in order. If there's a problem with the ABS connector you will see around 120 ohms. Here's a generic pic. of the OBD connector pinout:
If you find the higher resistance value, then check the harness connector, but this isn't going to be too easy to see given its location. Perhaps one of the pins has got bent, or it's possible that a connector has got pushed back into the harness plug body?
I've circled the pins (5 & 15) on your pic of the module that relate to the CAN:
The CAN bus terminates at one end in the ABS module, so there may be a bad connection to the harness.
The easiest way to check if there is a fault on the CAN termination is to measure the resistance across pins 6 and 14 of the OBD connector under the dash (ignition off). You should see around 60 ohms if everything is in order. If there's a problem with the ABS connector you will see around 120 ohms. Here's a generic pic. of the OBD connector pinout:
If you find the higher resistance value, then check the harness connector, but this isn't going to be too easy to see given its location. Perhaps one of the pins has got bent, or it's possible that a connector has got pushed back into the harness plug body?
I've circled the pins (5 & 15) on your pic of the module that relate to the CAN:
#37
Both in there snug as far as I can tell. The big multi-pin connector went in and latched like butter.
The two-pin ******* went in hard just like it came out, but I think it can only insert one way, and I shoved it as deep as I could.
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What a PITA. The P1637 decode is:
The CAN bus terminates at one end in the ABS module, so there may be a bad connection to the harness.
The easiest way to check if there is a fault on the CAN termination is to measure the resistance across pins 6 and 14 of the OBD connector under the dash (ignition off). You should see around 60 ohms if everything is in order. If there's a problem with the ABS connector you will see around 120 ohms. Here's a generic pic. of the OBD connector pinout:
If you find the higher resistance value, then check the harness connector, but this isn't going to be too easy to see given its location. Perhaps one of the pins has got bent, or it's possible that a connector has got pushed back into the harness plug body?
I've circled the pins (5 & 15) on your pic of the module that relate to the CAN:
The CAN bus terminates at one end in the ABS module, so there may be a bad connection to the harness.
The easiest way to check if there is a fault on the CAN termination is to measure the resistance across pins 6 and 14 of the OBD connector under the dash (ignition off). You should see around 60 ohms if everything is in order. If there's a problem with the ABS connector you will see around 120 ohms. Here's a generic pic. of the OBD connector pinout:
If you find the higher resistance value, then check the harness connector, but this isn't going to be too easy to see given its location. Perhaps one of the pins has got bent, or it's possible that a connector has got pushed back into the harness plug body?
I've circled the pins (5 & 15) on your pic of the module that relate to the CAN:
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I'm not clear what you mean here? The OBDII connector under the dash doesn't normally have anything connected to it. Pin #16 is connected to the car B+ to either power an OBD device like the ELM327, or (my guess) for the Jaguar diagnostic kit to monitor and report on the battery voltage. Please can you expand?