Stirling Moss Limited Edition for sale on cars.com
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Stirling Moss Limited Edition for sale on cars.com
Last edited by GGG; 09-28-2020 at 02:28 AM. Reason: Edit "Sterling"
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Has been seen, discussed and disparaged before. Here's examples:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...ng-moss-43964/
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...-000-a-212340/
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/p...dition-125007/
It's "Stirling" not "Sterling" Moss who died 12th April 2020 aged 90.
Graham
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...ng-moss-43964/
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...-000-a-212340/
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/p...dition-125007/
It's "Stirling" not "Sterling" Moss who died 12th April 2020 aged 90.
Graham
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"They" being a dealer in California according to the Jaguar Heritage Trust, so it'd be about as credible as if I turned my coupe into a "Mike Hawthorne edition" with stick-on bits.
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I just went and looked at this car online, and it has a free carfax. So, I looked at that too.
Oddly enough, the ECM has been reprogrammed (4/2006) and replaced (8/2006). The ECM/TCM was checked again (9/2007) at the '30,000 mile' checkup, and the TCM and BPM (maybe the BPM, could be another body module) have been replaced a couple thousand miles later (11/2011).
So, if any 'tuning' involved the ECM (if the tuning is not exaggerated or fictional), that is probably lost, and sure has problems with the main powertrain modules without having driven very far.
It was amusing to see that cars.com rates this as a "Good Deal" at $94K. Me, I'm waiting on the 'Mike Hawthorne edition".
Oddly enough, the ECM has been reprogrammed (4/2006) and replaced (8/2006). The ECM/TCM was checked again (9/2007) at the '30,000 mile' checkup, and the TCM and BPM (maybe the BPM, could be another body module) have been replaced a couple thousand miles later (11/2011).
So, if any 'tuning' involved the ECM (if the tuning is not exaggerated or fictional), that is probably lost, and sure has problems with the main powertrain modules without having driven very far.
It was amusing to see that cars.com rates this as a "Good Deal" at $94K. Me, I'm waiting on the 'Mike Hawthorne edition".
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Rooting around from another thread (labcoatguy):
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...-000-a-212340/
"To confirm what folks have said above, I asked the official Jaguar Heritage organization about these, and got this reply:
Quote:
The cars being advertised as Stirling Moss editions were not produced in the Jaguar factory. They were aftermarket conversions done in the US market (we think by a dealer in California) and were produced as part of a marketing support programme for a historic race series supported by Jaguar North America in 2003. It would appear that just five were made; from searching on the internet, the first car looks like a show car with flip up doors and different wheels and interior, the others look more like standard production, all with the same paint finish - silver with green and red stripes . Some changes were also made to the engine management mapping so that higher power output could be claimed."
Then probably "oopsies" on the ECM reprogram and swap (or 'oopsies' on an nonviable 'engine management mapping' in the first place...). Either way, doesn't seem to improve the 'Good Deal'.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...-000-a-212340/
"To confirm what folks have said above, I asked the official Jaguar Heritage organization about these, and got this reply:
Quote:
The cars being advertised as Stirling Moss editions were not produced in the Jaguar factory. They were aftermarket conversions done in the US market (we think by a dealer in California) and were produced as part of a marketing support programme for a historic race series supported by Jaguar North America in 2003. It would appear that just five were made; from searching on the internet, the first car looks like a show car with flip up doors and different wheels and interior, the others look more like standard production, all with the same paint finish - silver with green and red stripes . Some changes were also made to the engine management mapping so that higher power output could be claimed."
Then probably "oopsies" on the ECM reprogram and swap (or 'oopsies' on an nonviable 'engine management mapping' in the first place...). Either way, doesn't seem to improve the 'Good Deal'.
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Urinals and Cars, Oh My!
A replica of the item pictured below last sold for $1.7 million, about 20 years ago, and would likely sell for much more today. Good deal on a standard urinal with some writing on it that's not even the original @$1.7 million? Arguably yes, especially if you are an investor, regardless of the observation that it is a copy of a standard urinal with writing on it.
For this Edition, a quirky modification that's not given the imprimatur of the factory and has been essentially dissed by Jag Heritage , perhaps it will appreciate, but probably riskier as an investment.
To sit in it and drive around, probably not. My guess is that the standard R and this are essentially indistinguishable, and probably few care about driving their $10K Jag another couple of miles (or driving to Barstow from my house), but each thousand miles in this car potentially decreases the marginal value much more than it does mine. As an aside, it is probably a risk to use aftermarket parts if they are visible since that is not in the spirit of 'Original'. And you certainly wouldn't want to drill into the boot carpet to put in a convenient power cord...
But, someone paid $85K, so that is what it was worth to them at that time relative to other things they could have purchased or not purchased. How everyone else reacts may be different, like I know there are relatively few people in this world who would spend $1.7 million on a replica urinal if just handed $1.7 million.
Speaking only for myself, I wouldn't buy the urinal or the car.
Duchamps, 'Fountain' 1917.
For this Edition, a quirky modification that's not given the imprimatur of the factory and has been essentially dissed by Jag Heritage , perhaps it will appreciate, but probably riskier as an investment.
To sit in it and drive around, probably not. My guess is that the standard R and this are essentially indistinguishable, and probably few care about driving their $10K Jag another couple of miles (or driving to Barstow from my house), but each thousand miles in this car potentially decreases the marginal value much more than it does mine. As an aside, it is probably a risk to use aftermarket parts if they are visible since that is not in the spirit of 'Original'. And you certainly wouldn't want to drill into the boot carpet to put in a convenient power cord...
But, someone paid $85K, so that is what it was worth to them at that time relative to other things they could have purchased or not purchased. How everyone else reacts may be different, like I know there are relatively few people in this world who would spend $1.7 million on a replica urinal if just handed $1.7 million.
Speaking only for myself, I wouldn't buy the urinal or the car.
Duchamps, 'Fountain' 1917.
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