What does window calibration do, technically?
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I came to the conclusion that they were pots because:
i) that's how they're drawn in the diagram (weakest reason)
ii) there are two shown, which allows for a differential 'sanity' check (as the TPS electronics does).
iii) Something that simply detects movement doesn't provide an absolute position value that is needed to store in memory.
A photointerrupter would be a robust sensor as there's not much to wear out, but I don't see a slick way to represent and store the motion end stop positions. It can only be a pulse count - but from what reference point?
Thinking about it, they might be Hall-effect devices instead of mechanical pots?
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I came to the conclusion that they were pots because:
i) that's how they're drawn in the diagram (weakest reason)
ii) there are two shown, which allows for a differential 'sanity' check (as the TPS electronics does).
iii) Something that simply detects movement doesn't provide an absolute position value that is needed to store in memory.
A photointerrupter would be a robust sensor as there's not much to wear out, but I don't see a slick way to represent and store the motion end stop positions. It can only be a pulse count - but from what reference point?
Thinking about it, they might be Hall-effect devices instead of mechanical pots?
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I came to the conclusion that they were pots because:
i) that's how they're drawn in the diagram (weakest reason)
ii) there are two shown, which allows for a differential 'sanity' check (as the TPS electronics does).
iii) Something that simply detects movement doesn't provide an absolute position value that is needed to store in memory.
A photointerrupter would be a robust sensor as there's not much to wear out, but I don't see a slick way to represent and store the motion end stop positions. It can only be a pulse count - but from what reference point?
Thinking about it, they might be Hall-effect devices instead of mechanical pots?
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On fully opening/closing I would imagine the controller would stop the motor just before reaching the fully open/closed position, rather than stalling the motor.
Of course you never know where the window is in absolute terms, just where it should be relative to the original fully open/closed positions - hence why reprogramming it every time the battery is disconnected might be a good idea from a design point of view.
This approach compared to pot(s) would be mechanically much simpler, no gearing needed, no resistance values that change with temperature (which would explain why two pots would be necessary), no A2D converter needed etc. The only way to find out is to take an old window motor apart and have a look.
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Of course you never know where the window is in absolute terms, just where it should be relative to the original fully open/closed positions - hence why reprogramming it every time the battery is disconnected might be a good idea from a design point of view.
This approach compared to pot(s) would be mechanically much simpler, no gearing needed, no resistance values that change with temperature (which would explain why two pots would be necessary), no A2D converter needed etc. The only way to find out is to take an old window motor apart and have a look.
This approach compared to pot(s) would be mechanically much simpler, no gearing needed, no resistance values that change with temperature (which would explain why two pots would be necessary), no A2D converter needed etc. The only way to find out is to take an old window motor apart and have a look.
Looking at pictures of the mechanism, all the wiring seems to come from the motor, or the gearbox that engages with the winder toothed quadrant. That implies multiple turns needing multi-turn pots or some other gearing down.
Two outputs are needed to determine direction as well as count so that fits, too. The current counter value would represent the current window position and will be valid along with the upper & lower limits while sufficient power is maintained.
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I think we have come up with a very convincing argument as to what the calibration process does.
The window motors are Bosch parts - number 0130821318 (which I think is for the right window) and 0130821317 for the left. I couldn't find any data sheets on them on the internet, so until someone takes one apart this is still speculation unfortunately.
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