Is it worth buying an X100 over X150?
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What I am realizing is that locally, people are asking way too much for an X100 (see the ads posted above) and when you factor in costs of must-do repairs, it almost makes sense to purchase the X150 from a standpoint of price (which are found more commonly priced with book values), mileage, options, costs of potential repairs, etc. . While I think the X100 has a classic design and may be considered a classic one day, the high mileage cars XK (non R variants) that are priced for $15,000.00 are ridiculous. I will continue to search for a reasonably priced X100 with a solid service history.
I didn't research the XK8's since I settled on the XKR's as meeting my needs better. So my $$$ numbers may not have a direct correlation to the XK8 values. But I still think you will find a decent price spread when comparing the 4.0 L cars to the 4.2 L models. If a decent 4.0 XK8 gets your attention, be sure to also check the transmission repair history. The early 8's have more transmission issues than the XKR's had.
My advise is to keep looking, and expand your search to cover a wide area. A car that is 1000 miles away may be a jewel, and paying an independent garage to examine the car is money well spent.
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To me the x100 is far far prettier than the x150 which has a more common design. The interior also is less attractive and more plasticky whereas the x100 offers you a good slab of wood and leather, better for the look, the feel and the smell.
Another thing to consider is value : the x100 is right now at its lowest after 20 years, and will start gaining value in 5 or 10 years. The x150 will depreciate for another 10 years at least.
Of course it's a little more demanding, i wouldn't recommend it to someone who doesn't love cars and can make some reasonable amount of work on them, but again it's not like the x150 was a lexus neither : daily driving such beautiful cars isn't a good idea in my opinion. Get a cheap reliable work horse instead and keep the jags for pleasure, they're both remarkable cars but not grocery getters !
Another thing to consider is value : the x100 is right now at its lowest after 20 years, and will start gaining value in 5 or 10 years. The x150 will depreciate for another 10 years at least.
Of course it's a little more demanding, i wouldn't recommend it to someone who doesn't love cars and can make some reasonable amount of work on them, but again it's not like the x150 was a lexus neither : daily driving such beautiful cars isn't a good idea in my opinion. Get a cheap reliable work horse instead and keep the jags for pleasure, they're both remarkable cars but not grocery getters !
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zray (05-06-2019)
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Probably I am bias but I prefer the X100. Love the style and grace. Always a head turner. Truly a classic car. Get one quick though as the price of them is rising fast. Go for the XKR too. If you dont you will wish you had!
The X150 is a great car too. Though the interior is starting to look dated. The problem is that modern does not stay modern for long. I went to dinner with some friends not too long ago and they had bought a X150. I asked them why they went for the X150 over the X100 and their answer was they could not afford a decent X100.
As for problems ....... you can pick any car on the market and they have problems. Always use a good independent garage rather than a dealer. Their prices can be eye watering. My hoses went on the roof. I was quoted a minimum of £6000 English pounds. Did it myself and it cost me £120 and used better hoses than Jaguar would have supplied.
So X100 or X150. X100 a classic stylish car. You might find it interesting, if you have a few days spare, to read "Franks Story" about the ownership of the X100 from day one. Click Me To Read
Good luck and safe driving what ever you chose. FrankC
The X150 is a great car too. Though the interior is starting to look dated. The problem is that modern does not stay modern for long. I went to dinner with some friends not too long ago and they had bought a X150. I asked them why they went for the X150 over the X100 and their answer was they could not afford a decent X100.
As for problems ....... you can pick any car on the market and they have problems. Always use a good independent garage rather than a dealer. Their prices can be eye watering. My hoses went on the roof. I was quoted a minimum of £6000 English pounds. Did it myself and it cost me £120 and used better hoses than Jaguar would have supplied.
So X100 or X150. X100 a classic stylish car. You might find it interesting, if you have a few days spare, to read "Franks Story" about the ownership of the X100 from day one. Click Me To Read
Good luck and safe driving what ever you chose. FrankC
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I wholeheartedly agree with most of your post, just the above line goes off the rails, for us old dudes that is. Now if you have 50 or 60 years of driving adventures ahead of you, then I can see maybe parking the X100 once and awhile. But us guys who are crowding 70 years old, we need the maximum pleasure from wherever we can find it, especially from the driving experience. I've got maybe 20 years of driving left in me, if I'm lucky. I'll be damned if I'm going to spend a single day of it behind the wheel of a Toyota Tercel if I've got a nice Jaguar in the garage. If my clutch leg was still woking 100% I'd probably still be driving my vintage Shelby's. But the XKR will do nicely now that I'm half crippled. To tell the truth, the XKR is so much fun, I hardly miss the Shelby's, but don't tell any of my Ford friends.
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CorStevens (05-16-2019)
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I would echo everything that has been said above. My 2001 XKR is my latest Jag (my sixth) but first one in a few years. I am attracted to the X100 because of its classic styling, better than the X150 IMHO. Additionally, in the states, they are incredible buys. I bought mine, in excellent shape with 100,000 miles, for $7500. That's about 7.5% of what it cost new. But it takes a leap of faith. The previous owner was a professional Bentley/ Rolls mechanic, and assured me that he had done the timing chains, water pump, top latch hoses, thermostat and housing, front wheel bearings and more. He clearly know what these cars need and volunteered that it has all been done, but he had no records. If I can believe him, the car should be reasonably trouble free, if he lied, I'm screwed. Under the circumstances, I chose to believe him and so far, it's been a good car. I think that these cars, especially the 4.0 XKRs, are poised to appreciate a lot over the next 10 years. Look at what is happening to the XJS, and the X100s are much prettier and faster cars.
I've had the chance owning X100 XK8 convertible and XKR coupe, and have driven an X150 XK coupe. The X150 does feel more sure footed than the X100. It's a car that does not mind being driven fast. It's more athletic. With the X100, you don't get that as much with the XK8. The XKR coupe can be athletic, just not as much as the X150. You can feel the difference in chassis stiffness, and damping. It is night and day. The X150 is the more stable car. That being said, driving one feels like less of an occasion than driving the X100. The X150 is not as pretty. It's bigger and more bulbous, it's curves are flatter, and the interior while good, feels less like old Jaguars if yours is specced without wood. Impressive as the engines are, Jaguar tacked on plastic in the X150's engine compartment which hides the engine enough that opening the bonnet is not as satisfying. The X100 however, shows it all.
So the question is, what are you willing to put up with? A sexy car that can be temperamental and certainly characterful, or a bulletproof cat that is arguably not as pretty? To me, the X100 is like that one girl you can never stop fantasizing about.
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CorStevens (05-16-2019)
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Look at this way. Which would you pick? An older but beautiful woman who is exciting to 'drive' or a younger one that looks ok but only has ok looks and is a little overdone on her makeup?
Or you could just get one thats ugly. Cheap and a good at housekeeping and is a great cook.................... as in Beef Pies etc before anyone misreads "cook".
Or you could just get one thats ugly. Cheap and a good at housekeeping and is a great cook.................... as in Beef Pies etc before anyone misreads "cook".
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Look at this way. Which would you pick? An older but beautiful woman who is exciting to 'drive' or a younger one that looks ok but only has ok looks and is a little overdone on her makeup?
Or you could just get one thats ugly. Cheap and a good at housekeeping and is a great cook.................... as in Beef Pies etc before anyone misreads "cook".
Or you could just get one thats ugly. Cheap and a good at housekeeping and is a great cook.................... as in Beef Pies etc before anyone misreads "cook".
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They have. There is no way I can buy my car now for the money I paid for it 5 years ago. Even in its original condition. Click Me
The rise is gradual but if a Ford Escort from the 70's can make tens of thousands now, I sold mine for £200 in the late 70's, imagine how much a nice car like our X100's will eventually make. The E type did it and to my eyes thats an unsafe car, sorry owners! Apart from the steering, brakes and body they are a terrific looking car.
The rise is gradual but if a Ford Escort from the 70's can make tens of thousands now, I sold mine for £200 in the late 70's, imagine how much a nice car like our X100's will eventually make. The E type did it and to my eyes thats an unsafe car, sorry owners! Apart from the steering, brakes and body they are a terrific looking car.
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I wholeheartedly agree with most of your post, just the above line goes off the rails, for us old dudes that is. Now if you have 50 or 60 years of driving adventures ahead of you, then I can see maybe parking the X100 once and awhile. But us guys who are crowding 70 years old, we need the maximum pleasure from wherever we can find it, especially from the driving experience. I've got maybe 20 years of driving left in me, if I'm lucky. I'll be damned if I'm going to spend a single day of it behind the wheel of a Toyota Tercel if I've got a nice Jaguar in the garage. If my clutch leg was still woking 100% I'd probably still be driving my vintage Shelby's. But the XKR will do nicely now that I'm half crippled. To tell the truth, the XKR is so much fun, I hardly miss the Shelby's, but don't tell any of my Ford friends.
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Eat caviar, foie gras and champagne everyday for a while and you will not enjoy it anymore ! Using a reliable and simple workhorse next to your jag means you'll put a smile on your face each time you get into the "passion" car, even if it has flaws (and the x100 has a lot of them)
Plus even if you're careful as hell, other drivers and nature isn't. Rockchips, key scratches by jealous people, and of course people opening their doors and slamming it onto yours on parking lots. Well it probably depends on where you live, but here in paris when someone sells a car that is not a in a good shape, we call it "parisian shape" : everyone knows that it's impossible to keep it nice because theres too many people and too many cars and too many opportunities for things to go wrong !
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"................................Eat caviar, foie gras and champagne everyday for a while and you will not enjoy it anymore ! Using a reliable and simple workhorse next to your jag means you'll put a smile on your face each time you get into the "passion" car, even if it has flaws (and the x100 has a lot of them)........."
Alert : I've only owned it for 497 days, so no telling what will happen when I get in it tomorrow. Maybe on day 498 I will sicken from the overdose of joy.
Stop the presses, I just heard that most people die at home, let me outta' here, bad bad world, here I come. I'll be the one not driving a boring car.
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I'll report back when I get tired of having the '02 XKR as my daily driver, when it's not enjoyable anymore. I've only driven the car for the last 497 days without skipping a single day.
Alert : I've only owned it for 497 days, so no telling what will happen when I get in it tomorrow. Maybe on day 498 I will sicken from the overdose of joy.
you may be right about that. A person who leaves their home never knows if death or disaster awaits them out there in the bad bad world,
Stop the presses, I just heard that most people die at home, let me outta' here, bad bad world, here I come. I'll be the one not driving a boring car.
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Alert : I've only owned it for 497 days, so no telling what will happen when I get in it tomorrow. Maybe on day 498 I will sicken from the overdose of joy.
you may be right about that. A person who leaves their home never knows if death or disaster awaits them out there in the bad bad world,
Stop the presses, I just heard that most people die at home, let me outta' here, bad bad world, here I come. I'll be the one not driving a boring car.
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Drive it. The best car memories are the ones using it and not just leaving it sit in a garage.
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how about this take, if i had it to do all over again....? i have a 99 xk8 convertible with 47,000 miles i am the second owner. the car came to me from a relative that insisted i buy it , i have never owned a British car till this one....for a variety of excellent reasons.
i fell in love with the xk8 and still love it and will sell it soon to make room for something else. three years of ownership with lots of things needing fixing, some i did and some i had done for me. i would do it all over again, but this time, purposely find and xkr just cause i assume it's so much better...and a newer car without the timing chain issues. i have no regrets. i have also found that my car suffered from lack of maintenance and old age issues more than defects in design so that when i got it much of what i have spent was for that. i spent almost the amount i paid for it in maintenance and upkeep and NORMAL maintenance for a 20 year old car.
and because of my experience i love jags and would buy another perhaps some day. i am still on the fence with italian cars and have no desire to own one. i highly recommend getting one, they are fantastic to drive in so many ways i had no clue about...and to look at...and i have no regrets...fine yourself a good mechanic.....and buy CSAA towning insurance.
this forum is fantastic and very supportive and just about anything you wish to know about along with youtube is here.
i fell in love with the xk8 and still love it and will sell it soon to make room for something else. three years of ownership with lots of things needing fixing, some i did and some i had done for me. i would do it all over again, but this time, purposely find and xkr just cause i assume it's so much better...and a newer car without the timing chain issues. i have no regrets. i have also found that my car suffered from lack of maintenance and old age issues more than defects in design so that when i got it much of what i have spent was for that. i spent almost the amount i paid for it in maintenance and upkeep and NORMAL maintenance for a 20 year old car.
and because of my experience i love jags and would buy another perhaps some day. i am still on the fence with italian cars and have no desire to own one. i highly recommend getting one, they are fantastic to drive in so many ways i had no clue about...and to look at...and i have no regrets...fine yourself a good mechanic.....and buy CSAA towning insurance.
this forum is fantastic and very supportive and just about anything you wish to know about along with youtube is here.
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When our driving days come to an end, I don't want any regrets about the road trip postponed, and never taken.
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Having owned a beige 1998 Toyota Camry before, you honestly just block it out and can't remember. It's a self preservation technique.
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