XK8 all kinds of electrical issues
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Regards the battery again, those batteries you saw on ebay GGG where you mentioned a few had the vent pipe, (or outlet) were they the Varla's?
My vent pipe is present and routed through the floor, it's just not connected at the battery end.
I saw a Varla 100Amp, 830 Amp start charge, leak proof. spill proof up to 360c, 5 year guarantee, maintenance free, for about £120.
I just wondered if it was the Varla's you identified with the outlet that i didn't recognise ( i was looking for the pipe, or an outlet in the description).
My vent pipe is present and routed through the floor, it's just not connected at the battery end.
I saw a Varla 100Amp, 830 Amp start charge, leak proof. spill proof up to 360c, 5 year guarantee, maintenance free, for about £120.
I just wondered if it was the Varla's you identified with the outlet that i didn't recognise ( i was looking for the pipe, or an outlet in the description).
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I'll tell my neighbour that the bolt beside the dipstick is no guarantee of new camchains The Coupe, probably won't make his day either lol.
If i understand correctly first generation is weak plastic, second gen is tougher plastic, third gen is aluminium, and less likely than previous generations to give any warning at all.
Is that about right?
I found the plastic cap remover in the toolkit GGG, but not the key itself.
I looked everywhere i could think of, cubby hole under the dash, glovebox, battery space, spare wheel space,down sides of seats, on the floor including the back, no sign of it.
Good tip about the car breakers too, perhaps even without a spec sheet, if i can't find a helpful main dealer on the spec sheet search, proof of ownership may be enough for a breakers to let my try a few keys.
I can't help wondering how someone who's supposedly owned a few XK8's before, manages to buy one with no wheel nut keys, no keycode for the radio and no service history. Auction perhaps?
If i understand correctly first generation is weak plastic, second gen is tougher plastic, third gen is aluminium, and less likely than previous generations to give any warning at all.
Is that about right?
I found the plastic cap remover in the toolkit GGG, but not the key itself.
I looked everywhere i could think of, cubby hole under the dash, glovebox, battery space, spare wheel space,down sides of seats, on the floor including the back, no sign of it.
Good tip about the car breakers too, perhaps even without a spec sheet, if i can't find a helpful main dealer on the spec sheet search, proof of ownership may be enough for a breakers to let my try a few keys.
I can't help wondering how someone who's supposedly owned a few XK8's before, manages to buy one with no wheel nut keys, no keycode for the radio and no service history. Auction perhaps?
If the cap removal tool is there, it's odd the wheel nut key should be missing. It's not a 'key' as such, looks like this:
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A breaker could only supply a replacement if you have the 2-digit code and this in only available from Jaguar.
Your seller is dealing. He sold a 2003 Honda Accord on 08/02/2012 and a 2001 Ford Focus on 27/12/2011. Check his eBay feedback.
Graham
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Regards the battery again, those batteries you saw on ebay GGG where you mentioned a few had the vent pipe, (or outlet) were they the Varla's?
My vent pipe is present and routed through the floor, it's just not connected at the battery end.
I saw a Varla 100Amp, 830 Amp start charge, leak proof. spill proof up to 360c, 5 year guarantee, maintenance free, for about £120.
I just wondered if it was the Varla's you identified with the outlet that i didn't recognise ( i was looking for the pipe, or an outlet in the description).
My vent pipe is present and routed through the floor, it's just not connected at the battery end.
I saw a Varla 100Amp, 830 Amp start charge, leak proof. spill proof up to 360c, 5 year guarantee, maintenance free, for about £120.
I just wondered if it was the Varla's you identified with the outlet that i didn't recognise ( i was looking for the pipe, or an outlet in the description).
The routing on the vent pipe on your car sounds exactly right. The black tube goes through a rubber bung in the boot floor to vent any fumes or vapour to the outside of the car. As you have the wrong battery, it won't have the right angle adaptor to connect to this pipe.
The small plastic adaptor for the vent pipe is supplied in a separate packet with a new battery. The battery has a blanking plug where the vent pipe fits. This is removed and the adaptor pressed in to place. it's then connected to the plastic pipe when the battery is fitted in the car.
Post the eBay link you've found..............
Graham
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I can heartily recommend the Varta you've found, I've the exact same unit in my car - I've also the older type Bosch with the vent tube. A back up.
The Varta is the later 'sealed for life' unit and guaranteed for that period. I know for a fact the Bosch units are manufactured by Varta. They are the best automotive batteries out there. £120 well spent.
The Varta is the later 'sealed for life' unit and guaranteed for that period. I know for a fact the Bosch units are manufactured by Varta. They are the best automotive batteries out there. £120 well spent.
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Sorry about the mis-identification, aka: Varla and Varta.
I got my hopes up when i found the plastic nut remover, but theres definitely no key that looks like the one in your pic GGG. Closest thing i found was a 14m socket lol. The other stuff looks pretty much intact though, but there are 1 or 2 empty spaces for sockets or small items.
I read his feedback before i went to see the car, and i noticed the cars, but i figured 2 cars may not amount to a 100 % conclusion.
Having said that, it accounted for my suspicion that the car was probably bought at auction, why i wouldn't find his details on the logbook, and for why there's no radio code, wheel nut lock or manuals with it.
A dealer would surely ask for those things if he'd bought it off an owner.
What did interest me at the time was the wheel cleaning/refurb kit he bought and the XK8 glovebox handbook, which i expected to find in the car.
The tight wad didn't give it to me though lol.
The spare keys haven't arrived yet either, probably too tight to pay the postage.
I'm not too good at doing things like that GGG @ "post the link".
I think Sean B found it though ( thanks Sean B) as he said he has exactly the same one. It was £119 and some pence on EBay ( probably 99pence ).
I found out today that i have a headlamp power wash which works and i think they work off the same washer motor as the windscreen washers. Renewed 3 fuses yesterday (blown) all in the passenger side fascia box, but i don't know what they operated yet and it certainly wasn't the washers or dash lights.
The heater control valve unit came today, and a battery is imminent, but the idea is to use it as a bargaining tool at the Jaguar dealers in exchange for a service book, history, and while i'm at it, the wheel nut 2 digit code.
I'll settle for the dealers battery if i get it all, otherwise i'll get the Varta heavy duty.
Thank you once again guys, all of you, for the top class info and assistance.
I got my hopes up when i found the plastic nut remover, but theres definitely no key that looks like the one in your pic GGG. Closest thing i found was a 14m socket lol. The other stuff looks pretty much intact though, but there are 1 or 2 empty spaces for sockets or small items.
I read his feedback before i went to see the car, and i noticed the cars, but i figured 2 cars may not amount to a 100 % conclusion.
Having said that, it accounted for my suspicion that the car was probably bought at auction, why i wouldn't find his details on the logbook, and for why there's no radio code, wheel nut lock or manuals with it.
A dealer would surely ask for those things if he'd bought it off an owner.
What did interest me at the time was the wheel cleaning/refurb kit he bought and the XK8 glovebox handbook, which i expected to find in the car.
The tight wad didn't give it to me though lol.
The spare keys haven't arrived yet either, probably too tight to pay the postage.
I'm not too good at doing things like that GGG @ "post the link".
I think Sean B found it though ( thanks Sean B) as he said he has exactly the same one. It was £119 and some pence on EBay ( probably 99pence ).
I found out today that i have a headlamp power wash which works and i think they work off the same washer motor as the windscreen washers. Renewed 3 fuses yesterday (blown) all in the passenger side fascia box, but i don't know what they operated yet and it certainly wasn't the washers or dash lights.
The heater control valve unit came today, and a battery is imminent, but the idea is to use it as a bargaining tool at the Jaguar dealers in exchange for a service book, history, and while i'm at it, the wheel nut 2 digit code.
I'll settle for the dealers battery if i get it all, otherwise i'll get the Varta heavy duty.
Thank you once again guys, all of you, for the top class info and assistance.
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Check you actually have locking wheel nuts fitted. They may have been replaced with ordinary ones if the key was missing. The dummy covers on the locknuts have a slot pressed in for identification:
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If the local dealer doesn't know you, they will almost certainly want sight of the V5C Registration Document in your name before releasing specification or service data. They're very sensitive to Data Protection Act restrictions nowadays.
Fuses and relays are listed in the Vehicle Care Handbook for your car. You've got enough posts now to be able to download this from my Handbook thread if you haven't got the printed copy..
Graham
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If the local dealer doesn't know you, they will almost certainly want sight of the V5C Registration Document in your name before releasing specification or service data. They're very sensitive to Data Protection Act restrictions nowadays.
Fuses and relays are listed in the Vehicle Care Handbook for your car. You've got enough posts now to be able to download this from my Handbook thread if you haven't got the printed copy..
Graham
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I'd say it's definitely got lockers on it GGG.
The dummy wheelnut feels like it's actually plastic instead of metal, and when you pull it off theres a short thread that protrudes from the centre of what looks like a black cylinder going back to the stud.
This black cylinder has 4 oval (ish) groove slots on the outward face, that i'm guessing the wheel lock key fits into.
I tried the download section earlier, but i just get the "loading" message with the spinning worm above it. Left it like that for 10 minutes, but nothing else happened.
I'll have another bash at it later.
I was just chatting with my neighbour about the washers thenaz007, and neither of us knew what's supposed to happen when you pull the washer stalk backwards towards you.
Similar problem to yours, but in reverse lol.
The dummy wheelnut feels like it's actually plastic instead of metal, and when you pull it off theres a short thread that protrudes from the centre of what looks like a black cylinder going back to the stud.
This black cylinder has 4 oval (ish) groove slots on the outward face, that i'm guessing the wheel lock key fits into.
I tried the download section earlier, but i just get the "loading" message with the spinning worm above it. Left it like that for 10 minutes, but nothing else happened.
I'll have another bash at it later.
I was just chatting with my neighbour about the washers thenaz007, and neither of us knew what's supposed to happen when you pull the washer stalk backwards towards you.
Similar problem to yours, but in reverse lol.
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All my Jaguar's have had lock nuts with two grooves but there could well be examples with more:
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The lock nut is 5cm long with an 11mm hole right through the centre.
Some of the handbook PDF's are over 10mB. This is the direct MediaFire link to the Vehicle Car Manual for your year:
www.mediafire.com/download.php?sy676162s48x6a6
Copy and paste it into a new browser tab.
Graham
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The lock nut is 5cm long with an 11mm hole right through the centre.
Some of the handbook PDF's are over 10mB. This is the direct MediaFire link to the Vehicle Car Manual for your year:
www.mediafire.com/download.php?sy676162s48x6a6
Copy and paste it into a new browser tab.
Graham
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It's supposed to be a "Flick Wipe" a single stroke of the wipers.
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Ahaa, thanks Norri ![Smile](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
My neighbour's locknuts look like the picture you've put up GGG, with the 2 slots. Mine are different though, probably aftermarket ones.
I suppose this means i won't be able to get a 2 digit code for them from a Jaguar dealer, because they're not Jaguar lockers?
Thank you for the link.
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My neighbour's locknuts look like the picture you've put up GGG, with the 2 slots. Mine are different though, probably aftermarket ones.
I suppose this means i won't be able to get a 2 digit code for them from a Jaguar dealer, because they're not Jaguar lockers?
Thank you for the link.
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Ahaa, thanks Norri ![Smile](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
My neighbour's locknuts look like the picture you've put up GGG, with the 2 slots. Mine are different though, probably aftermarket ones.
I suppose this means i won't be able to get a 2 digit code for them from a Jaguar dealer, because they're not Jaguar lockers?
Thank you for the link.
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My neighbour's locknuts look like the picture you've put up GGG, with the 2 slots. Mine are different though, probably aftermarket ones.
I suppose this means i won't be able to get a 2 digit code for them from a Jaguar dealer, because they're not Jaguar lockers?
Thank you for the link.
Easy and low cost to obtain 4 locking nuts and the matching key from one of the specialist Jaguar breakers. Removing the fitted ones may take a combination of invention and brutality.
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I took the Mondeo to a tyre garage for a new tyre a couple of years ago, and couldn't find the key for the lockers.
While i was searching i asked the guy if he could get the wheel off if i couldn't find it, and he said he could if he had to.
He also gave the impression it wouldn't be too difficult, but these look like they might present some problems, and i wouldn't be surprised if if ruins the studs in the process.
I just hope they don't damage the wheels.
I'm also starting to think that the spare keys won't arrive, and that asking for my address to send them to me could have been just a ploy to get my address . . .for some reason. Hope i'm wrong.
I went in to this so trusting and so blind . . . what an idiot.
Plenty of chavs round here, avoiding them is the main problem lol.
It probably seems like i'm talking a lot and not doing much, but i'm waiting on the logbook, so i can visit the Jaguar dealer and bargain on the history with the purchase of a battery, and write to the previous owner. If the latter comes up trumps i may learn something about the cars history from him, and not have to get the lockers cut off.
I'm just hanging at the moment.
While i was searching i asked the guy if he could get the wheel off if i couldn't find it, and he said he could if he had to.
He also gave the impression it wouldn't be too difficult, but these look like they might present some problems, and i wouldn't be surprised if if ruins the studs in the process.
I just hope they don't damage the wheels.
I'm also starting to think that the spare keys won't arrive, and that asking for my address to send them to me could have been just a ploy to get my address . . .for some reason. Hope i'm wrong.
I went in to this so trusting and so blind . . . what an idiot.
Plenty of chavs round here, avoiding them is the main problem lol.
It probably seems like i'm talking a lot and not doing much, but i'm waiting on the logbook, so i can visit the Jaguar dealer and bargain on the history with the purchase of a battery, and write to the previous owner. If the latter comes up trumps i may learn something about the cars history from him, and not have to get the lockers cut off.
I'm just hanging at the moment.
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I took the Mondeo to a tyre garage for a new tyre a couple of years ago, and couldn't find the key for the lockers.
While i was searching i asked the guy if he could get the wheel off if i couldn't find it, and he said he could if he had to.
He also gave the impression it wouldn't be too difficult, but these look like they might present some problems, and i wouldn't be surprised if if ruins the studs in the process.
I just hope they don't damage the wheels.
I'm also starting to think that the spare keys won't arrive, and that asking for my address to send them to me could have been just a ploy to get my address . . .for some reason. Hope i'm wrong.
I went in to this so trusting and so blind . . . what an idiot.
Plenty of chavs round here, avoiding them is the main problem lol.
It probably seems like i'm talking a lot and not doing much, but i'm waiting on the logbook, so i can visit the Jaguar dealer and bargain on the history with the purchase of a battery, and write to the previous owner. If the latter comes up trumps i may learn something about the cars history from him, and not have to get the lockers cut off.
I'm just hanging at the moment.
While i was searching i asked the guy if he could get the wheel off if i couldn't find it, and he said he could if he had to.
He also gave the impression it wouldn't be too difficult, but these look like they might present some problems, and i wouldn't be surprised if if ruins the studs in the process.
I just hope they don't damage the wheels.
I'm also starting to think that the spare keys won't arrive, and that asking for my address to send them to me could have been just a ploy to get my address . . .for some reason. Hope i'm wrong.
I went in to this so trusting and so blind . . . what an idiot.
Plenty of chavs round here, avoiding them is the main problem lol.
It probably seems like i'm talking a lot and not doing much, but i'm waiting on the logbook, so i can visit the Jaguar dealer and bargain on the history with the purchase of a battery, and write to the previous owner. If the latter comes up trumps i may learn something about the cars history from him, and not have to get the lockers cut off.
I'm just hanging at the moment.
Have a search on eBay for 'locking wheel nut removal'. There's lots of individual extractors and kits available. This must be a regular problem.
The extractors have a reverse thread and are fitted to the lock nut anticlockwise until tight. The nut can be unscrewed. It'll wreck the locknut but shouldn't damage the stud or the wheel.
Graham
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I'll try and get a pic online tomorrow.
Just dug out the camera and checked it works, is there a maximum file size for posting pics,?
I've looked back through some old pics taken with that camera and they're about 2mb each.
Takes nice pics in the day time, but rubbish pics at night.
I'll look for the extractor kit or service you mention.
Finally found the fuse box chart in the FAQ's![Smile](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
And is that right what i saw about being able to charge the battery using connectors under the bonnet?
Mines flat, and on other cars i've been able to drop an extension lead over the balcony, put the lead and charger under the bonnet and lock and alarm the car with no problems while it's charging.
Can't do that if i have to charge it from the boot.
Edit: I've also been looking up OBD readers, but it seems that most only read engine management faults, where my problems involve other systems atm.
Not sure how to get round that yet.
Just dug out the camera and checked it works, is there a maximum file size for posting pics,?
I've looked back through some old pics taken with that camera and they're about 2mb each.
Takes nice pics in the day time, but rubbish pics at night.
I'll look for the extractor kit or service you mention.
Finally found the fuse box chart in the FAQ's
![Smile](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
And is that right what i saw about being able to charge the battery using connectors under the bonnet?
Mines flat, and on other cars i've been able to drop an extension lead over the balcony, put the lead and charger under the bonnet and lock and alarm the car with no problems while it's charging.
Can't do that if i have to charge it from the boot.
Edit: I've also been looking up OBD readers, but it seems that most only read engine management faults, where my problems involve other systems atm.
Not sure how to get round that yet.
Last edited by Roadhogg; 03-03-2012 at 01:24 PM. Reason: Additional info
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I'll try and get a pic online tomorrow.
Just dug out the camera and checked it works, is there a maximum file size for posting pics,?
I've looked back through some old pics taken with that camera and they're about 2mb each.
Takes nice pics in the day time, but rubbish pics at night.
I'll look for the extractor kit or service you mention.
Finally found the fuse box chart in the FAQ's![Smile](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
And is that right what i saw about being able to charge the battery using connectors under the bonnet?
Mines flat, and on other cars i've been able to drop an extension lead over the balcony, put the lead and charger under the bonnet and lock and alarm the car with no problems while it's charging.
Can't do that if i have to charge it from the boot.
Edit: I've also been looking up OBD readers, but it seems that most only read engine management faults, where my problems involve other systems atm.
Not sure how to get round that yet.
Just dug out the camera and checked it works, is there a maximum file size for posting pics,?
I've looked back through some old pics taken with that camera and they're about 2mb each.
Takes nice pics in the day time, but rubbish pics at night.
I'll look for the extractor kit or service you mention.
Finally found the fuse box chart in the FAQ's
![Smile](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
And is that right what i saw about being able to charge the battery using connectors under the bonnet?
Mines flat, and on other cars i've been able to drop an extension lead over the balcony, put the lead and charger under the bonnet and lock and alarm the car with no problems while it's charging.
Can't do that if i have to charge it from the boot.
Edit: I've also been looking up OBD readers, but it seems that most only read engine management faults, where my problems involve other systems atm.
Not sure how to get round that yet.
2. the battery can be charged from under the bonnet - see Paul Pavlik's photo of the connection points in the FAQ's
3. get a new battery fitted before thinking about expensive scantools
You might just need to clear the stored codes and a cheap code reader / ELM tool with free software will do this for you.
Graham
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In my pre-occupation with the heater, Instrument lights, washers and wheel nuts, i'd forgotten all about the Auto stability, traction control and restricted performance errors.
Sorry GGG.
I've got my fingers crossed for the V5 arriving late this week so i can get the battery, after a visit to the dealers![Smile](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
I'll also try to figure out how to fit the heater control valve.
Sorry GGG.
I've got my fingers crossed for the V5 arriving late this week so i can get the battery, after a visit to the dealers
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I'll also try to figure out how to fit the heater control valve.
Last edited by Roadhogg; 03-03-2012 at 02:26 PM.